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. >> that's with the $250,000 and under keeping their tax rate. everybody else gets a tax hike? >> i live in an alternate reality. the grew of age in politics in the clinton administration and watched pelosi and harry reid vote for tax increases under bill clinton that are the taxes we would go back to if we do nothing. at the same time, i watched nancy pelosi lead the charge against the bush tax cuts that ultimately now they want to keep 98% of. the truth is if we go over the cliff on a tax basis, we're only going back to the clinton era taxes. if we don't change spending, we're going to stay over the cliff. even if we go back to the clinton tax rates, the clinton tax rates, which is what the cliff is described as, you still have nearly half a trillion dollars a year, $5 trillion over ten years worth of deficit. that's because while we grew the -- under bush the taxes revenue went up 25%, and spending went up 100% in the last 12 years. if you put back the revenue from the higher taxes, you still have a deficit. that's what we're trying to change. >> we kind of are where we are,
. >> that's with the $250,000 and under keeping their tax rate. everybody else gets a tax hike? >> i live in an alternate reality. the grew of age in politics in the clinton administration and watched pelosi and harry reid vote for tax increases under bill clinton that are the taxes we would go back to if we do nothing. at the same time, i watched nancy pelosi lead the charge against the bush tax cuts that ultimately now they want to keep 98% of. the truth is if we go over the cliff...
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rate should be as well as on taxes on small business as well as the death tax. they are very divided on this issue. >> the estate tax. yeah. so let me have you answer that. i have another subject i want to bring up. do you think there will be a deal and that most taxes will not go up? >> we're not there yet, but i'm hoping in a bipartisan way we can get something done before new year's day. >> okay. let me -- i wanted to play you something else, because you were an immigration lawyer before you came in, continues to be something you're interested in. and the president was talking about priorities for this year and here's what he had to say. >> i've said that fixing our broken immigration system is a top priority. i will introduce legislation in the first year to get that done. i think we have talked about it long enough, we know how we can fix it, we can do it in a grow hensive way that the american -- comprehensive way the american people support, that's something we should get done. >> sounds like it could be a done deal. talked enough about it. >> i think he
rate should be as well as on taxes on small business as well as the death tax. they are very divided on this issue. >> the estate tax. yeah. so let me have you answer that. i have another subject i want to bring up. do you think there will be a deal and that most taxes will not go up? >> we're not there yet, but i'm hoping in a bipartisan way we can get something done before new year's day. >> okay. let me -- i wanted to play you something else, because you were an immigration...
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that we're talking about, whether it's something called the alternative minimum tax or the estate tax or extending the current bush-era income tax cuts, all of them cost money. all of them mean we have less revenue to support the operations of government, so if going forward we're going to reach a balance, where we both cut spending and raise revenue, we have to achieve the right balance of those, so if there are folks in the other party, the republican party, who feel strongly that we should not allow income tax breaks of the last decade to continue, that's fine. i think they simply need to be willing to balance that with some of the democratic priorities like extending unemployment insurance benefits for nearly 2 million unemployed americans who will lose them tomorrow. >> thank you senator chris coons for joining us. >> thank you. >> coming up, former president george h.w. bush is out of icu, and the how the oak ridge boys may have helped lift his spirits. >>> and with less than 30 hours to go before the fiscal cliff, we're watching capitol hill for any kinds of a deal today. you'r
that we're talking about, whether it's something called the alternative minimum tax or the estate tax or extending the current bush-era income tax cuts, all of them cost money. all of them mean we have less revenue to support the operations of government, so if going forward we're going to reach a balance, where we both cut spending and raise revenue, we have to achieve the right balance of those, so if there are folks in the other party, the republican party, who feel strongly that we should...
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>> i think raising the capital gains tax, raising the dividend tax, raising the estate tax, raising taxes on small businesses, is a disaster for the economy, it's too fragile. >> that's not true at all. all the research shows that actually the economic activity is not that sensitive to tax rates at the top of the income distribution -- >> that's not true, it's the opposite. >> i'm sorry -- >>> the economy's highly sensitive, that's why countries around the world have been cutting their tax rates. >> we grew faster when we had higher tax rates. >> let's just do it another reality check on this. which is that, whether we go over the cliff or have a scaled-down deal, we've got two things looming, a debt ceiling in probably two months which republicans will no doubt use as leverage. we still don't have a grand bargain that deals with deficit and debt by taking on tax reform and entitlement reform. what rational reason, stephen, first you, should we have that that other kick the can to another situation we're about to go off a cliff would produce any different result from a new congress? >> i'
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they get $120 billion tax break. and people come forward and say we're very serious about deficit reduction. third area that we have to look at, the president wanted, as you recall a few weeks ago, $1.6 trillion in new revenue. we're now down to, as i understand it, about $600 billion. a significant reduction. if you don't have new revenue coming in from the wealthiest people, it will mean, as we go down the pike -- >> there are so many issues like, this that are -- have been originally talked about. but when push comes to shove, and it comes up to the absolute deadline and everybody is hopefully still talking tomorrow, how narrow could this deal be to get it done? >> how what? >> how narrow could this deal be? could it be just about whose taxes expire and whose don't? >> as i think some of your commentators made, people have to understand the world does not collapse in terms of the so-called deficit cliff, which many of us see as a slope. it doesn't collapse on january 1. not everybody's taxes are going up. you have
they get $120 billion tax break. and people come forward and say we're very serious about deficit reduction. third area that we have to look at, the president wanted, as you recall a few weeks ago, $1.6 trillion in new revenue. we're now down to, as i understand it, about $600 billion. a significant reduction. if you don't have new revenue coming in from the wealthiest people, it will mean, as we go down the pike -- >> there are so many issues like, this that are -- have been originally...
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there's a whole host of other things, $2,200, income tax, estate tax, dividend tax, all of those set to go up on americans and what is expected to be a disaster for every household. if for some reason we go over the cliff and don't do something at the beginning of january and go back retroactively and adjust the rates, krystal. >> yeah. >> peter, you said something a minute ago and significant and if there's going to be a deal, that ends up leaving some taxpayers, wealthy taxpayers, paying higher than now, it's next year for republicans to sign off on it saying it's a tax cut in some form and gives democrats to wait until next week to strike a deal and wonder besides getting what they want or most of what they want on taxes if they wait until next week, is there anything else they can get in a deal in terms of we are talking about unemployment insurance, in terms of, you know, investment income and the tax rates and stimulus and looking for more stimulus and just be a tax cut deal next week or more components to it? >> reporter: it's a good question. they're having enough struggles w
there's a whole host of other things, $2,200, income tax, estate tax, dividend tax, all of those set to go up on americans and what is expected to be a disaster for every household. if for some reason we go over the cliff and don't do something at the beginning of january and go back retroactively and adjust the rates, krystal. >> yeah. >> peter, you said something a minute ago and significant and if there's going to be a deal, that ends up leaving some taxpayers, wealthy taxpayers,...
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68% and secondly the death tax. 55% rate -- how fair -- >> let's go to the death tax. 6,000 of the wealthiest wealthiest estates are the difference between what president obama wants and jon kyl wants, $119 billion over ten years. for those 600,000 estates to give $119 billion away and instead take it out on cuts on medicare and roads and education is unconscionable. >> if you look at the bigger picture for a second, we've known for two years that these tax cuts would be expiring the day after tomorrow or the end of the day tomorrow. we've known these automatic cuts, the so-called -- this was going to be happening for more than a year. aren't you a little embarrassed as leaders in the congress that it has gotten to this point that tomorrow is new year's eve, the day it all expires, and you still don't have an agreement? i mean, we've been having this argument for two years. >> it is embarrassing but almost every disagreement we've had is not because of a senate where we've had lots of -- we've come to agreement on many things. there are 50 hard right people in the house who don't want to comp
68% and secondly the death tax. 55% rate -- how fair -- >> let's go to the death tax. 6,000 of the wealthiest wealthiest estates are the difference between what president obama wants and jon kyl wants, $119 billion over ten years. for those 600,000 estates to give $119 billion away and instead take it out on cuts on medicare and roads and education is unconscionable. >> if you look at the bigger picture for a second, we've known for two years that these tax cuts would be expiring...
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tax bills -- and this is going to fundamentally be a tax bill when we pass it. they have to begin in the house of representatives. they can't originate in the white house. the president can't write legislation or pass it himself. the founders would have been shocked to hear congressional leaders talking this way. but put that aside. mcconnell basically said to reid i can't help on this one. how did harry reid respond? this way. >> speaker boehner should call members of the house back to washington today. he shouldn't have let them go, in fact. they're not here. they are not here. john boehner seems to care more about keeping his speakership than about keeping the nation on firm financial footing. >> right. so that's pretty much where we are now. boehner's out, mcconnell's out. reid says it's up to boehner, white house can't get boehner to talk to them. it's kind of a mess, senator schatz. and it is now part of your party. so what is the next move? there is late news tonight that president obama will convene a meeting of congressional leaders at the white house t
tax bills -- and this is going to fundamentally be a tax bill when we pass it. they have to begin in the house of representatives. they can't originate in the white house. the president can't write legislation or pass it himself. the founders would have been shocked to hear congressional leaders talking this way. but put that aside. mcconnell basically said to reid i can't help on this one. how did harry reid respond? this way. >> speaker boehner should call members of the house back to...
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we don't want to raise taxes on anybody. we don't want to raise taxes on millionaires. we don't want the raise taxes on people who make $50,000 or $20,000. that's a core principle because the problem with the budget is spending. >> you have the final word. i've got run, unfortunately. but think thank you, joy reid. >> thank you, stephen moore. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> when we return, let me finish "zero dark thirty," the great movie about getting bin laden, and the difference one person can make. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. >>> last night here in new york city i saw the movie "zero dark thirty." the film gets its wide release on january 11. i thought it lived up to the hype. the catherine bigelow movie about the takedown of bin laden was spell binding, epithet conclusion, even though you know how it ends. but much of the advance attention has been focused on how the movie begins, the graphic depiction of an al qaeda prisoner being harshly interrogated. earlier this week three u.s. senators took issue with that sequence. they fear that ameri
we don't want to raise taxes on anybody. we don't want to raise taxes on millionaires. we don't want the raise taxes on people who make $50,000 or $20,000. that's a core principle because the problem with the budget is spending. >> you have the final word. i've got run, unfortunately. but think thank you, joy reid. >> thank you, stephen moore. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> when we return, let me finish "zero dark thirty," the great movie about getting...
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but the danger for them is that these stopped being the bush tax cuts and become the obama tax cuts, right? i think that's what conservatives and republicans should be most worried about from a long-term political perspective right now. i mean, in a sense, they have sort of -- they have won a particular policy battle in the sense that most of the bush tax cuts, both parties believe should be extended. right? we're talking about 97%, 98% of the bush tax cuts. you could say that's a policy win for republicans, but if those tax cuts ended up getting branded as obama's tax cuts that he passed after we went over the fiscal cliff, it then loses whatever upside there was for republicans, except, and we have to mention this, for republicans vulnerable to primary challenges, there's obviously a lot of anxiety about being, you know, the first republican in 20 years to vote for a tax increase. i think that's the big fear, that it's been so long. republicans haven't cast this kind of vote. you don't want to be the first one to do it. >> yeah, and charles, we're told the democrats may be waiting
but the danger for them is that these stopped being the bush tax cuts and become the obama tax cuts, right? i think that's what conservatives and republicans should be most worried about from a long-term political perspective right now. i mean, in a sense, they have sort of -- they have won a particular policy battle in the sense that most of the bush tax cuts, both parties believe should be extended. right? we're talking about 97%, 98% of the bush tax cuts. you could say that's a policy win...
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we don't want to raise taxes on anybody. we don't want to raise taxes on millionaires. we don't want the raise taxes on people who make $50,000 or $20,000. that's a core principle because the problem with the budget is spending. >> you have the final word. i've got run, unfortunately. but think thank you, joy reid. >> thank you, stephen moore. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> when we return, let me finish "zero dark thirty," the great movie about getting bin laden, and the difference one person can make. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. [ male announcer ] this is bob, a regular guy with an irregular heartbeat. the usual, bob? not today. [ male announcer ] bob has afib: atrial fibrillation not caused by a heart valve problem, a condition that puts him at greater risk for a stroke. [ gps ] turn left. i don't think so. [ male announcer ] for years, bob took warfarin, and made a monthly trip to the clinic to get his blood tested. but not anymore. bob's doctor recommended a different option: once-a-day xarelto®. xarelto® is the first and only once-a-day pr
we don't want to raise taxes on anybody. we don't want to raise taxes on millionaires. we don't want the raise taxes on people who make $50,000 or $20,000. that's a core principle because the problem with the budget is spending. >> you have the final word. i've got run, unfortunately. but think thank you, joy reid. >> thank you, stephen moore. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> when we return, let me finish "zero dark thirty," the great movie about getting...
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we are talking about every american's tax rates who pays taxes, talking about the extension of unemployment, the estate tax this has more elements in it than most things do i think at the end of the day, you know, in the senate now, i think the senate will come to some sort of arrangement, they will push it over here and then i think the house will be the decisive arena, a lot will depend, obviously, on what the senate agrees to >> isn't that the question what will happen in the house? i don't think we have a concern, maybe i shouldn't stay quite that way, the house seems to be the clear focus on whether or not republicans can muster the votes needed. what is going to happen? >> a lot depends on the nature of the agree weren't, remember on the speakers a plan b, he had over 200 republican votes are, it is not as if he doesn't have an awfully strong hand to play. if it's a deal that john boehner can accept, then frankly, i think it will be passed in a bipartisan manner with a very strong majority. if, on the other hand, he is either neutral or not favorable, then his chances are going to be
we are talking about every american's tax rates who pays taxes, talking about the extension of unemployment, the estate tax this has more elements in it than most things do i think at the end of the day, you know, in the senate now, i think the senate will come to some sort of arrangement, they will push it over here and then i think the house will be the decisive arena, a lot will depend, obviously, on what the senate agrees to >> isn't that the question what will happen in the house? i...
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on this plan by the speaker which would have allowed taxes to go up, your group said it wasn't a tax increase and that still wasn't good tough for a lot of house republicans. >> look, let's understand, there is a plan to actually solve the debt that's been run up, the deficits to continue, the entitlement reform and tax reform to get more pro-growth, tax reform, and that's the ryan plan, which has actually passed twice by the house of representatives. people can talk -- >> no support from the president. it's not going anywhere. >> the democrats haven't done a budget in three, four year, haven't put anything forward that deals with entitlements. there's one and only one plan that has actually been passed by one house. the president hasn't put anything forward that fixes entitlements. his budget, his plan if you continue it out, you know, to 2040, 2050 takes 38% of gdp and the economy collapses. >> this gets to an issue which others have brought up during the week. it is -- you're right, congressman ryan's plan passed the house but there has been an election and house republicans are o
on this plan by the speaker which would have allowed taxes to go up, your group said it wasn't a tax increase and that still wasn't good tough for a lot of house republicans. >> look, let's understand, there is a plan to actually solve the debt that's been run up, the deficits to continue, the entitlement reform and tax reform to get more pro-growth, tax reform, and that's the ryan plan, which has actually passed twice by the house of representatives. people can talk -- >> no...
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we need to not just raise taxes. if we give the president every tax increase that he wants. we need to address the spending. >> and the president has addressed that. no one is saying that there should be no spending cuts. >> ultimately. we have to find a bring here to get across. what are the ways we can agree on that will help us through that. i would would brry if we get do our fox holes and shoot across at each other. you know our international reputation is going to suffer. every other country in the world and watching this is going to say is america prepared to leave? >> you can't trust these guys, they are not up to it. >> if the nation slides into a resocial. i think the republicans will pay the biggest price in the beginning. the president so far has the fact is the republicans have been losing the message war on that. for its own sake it need to listen to the right of center not the nar right. right now, it has to act as if look, the country's needs come first. what do we need to do some protect the country's welfare. we thought it would come with the event of the e
we need to not just raise taxes. if we give the president every tax increase that he wants. we need to address the spending. >> and the president has addressed that. no one is saying that there should be no spending cuts. >> ultimately. we have to find a bring here to get across. what are the ways we can agree on that will help us through that. i would would brry if we get do our fox holes and shoot across at each other. you know our international reputation is going to suffer....
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he's all about taxes. he has this mandate on taxes. the spending cuts, the need to get us out of this mess, he hasn't been serious about those, and then that's unfortunate. so, you know, i think where mick and i may be part company is this needs the big deal. i'm okay to say, president, you won. you can tax these rich people you seem to dislike so much, but, you know what? come up with spending cuts. we're borrowing ail trillion dollars a year, and he's not. >> i want to show you one of the our latest polls, and the question was which party should compromise more? 53% thought the republicans should compromise more, and 41% said the democrats. so it's not just the president won. you've seen poll after poll. they blame republicans if their taxes go up. you don't want anyone's taxes to go up, and yet, you are admitting here, saying i think everybody's taxes are going up. >> i don't know it's a question of who should compromise more? we recognize in order to get to a compromise. the question is who is supposed to lead? the president is the
he's all about taxes. he has this mandate on taxes. the spending cuts, the need to get us out of this mess, he hasn't been serious about those, and then that's unfortunate. so, you know, i think where mick and i may be part company is this needs the big deal. i'm okay to say, president, you won. you can tax these rich people you seem to dislike so much, but, you know what? come up with spending cuts. we're borrowing ail trillion dollars a year, and he's not. >> i want to show you one of...
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capital games taxes, dividend taxes, estate taxes will all go up. everyone will see a 2% cut in your paycheck, since the payroll tax cut will expire. for every american that's about a $940 decrease in your annual takehome pay. we're talking about the child tax credit, the marital it penalty fixes, and on january 2, the stock market as you talked about, reopens, and the federal government reopens which means the sequestration kicks in. $110 billion in spending cuts a year for the next 10 years. that's a 9% cut in defense and 8% cut in domestic spending. and then we're not finished because january 7, that week, 2.1 million people will stop receiving their unemployment checks. all in all, economists say this could mean 3.4 million jobs lost and unemployment could reach 19.1% by the end of the 2013, and the u.s. will enter another recession, and yet congress can't get anything done >> there is a little bit of a cushion there. the i.r.s. didn't expect that we would get to this point. they thought congress would work something out, so it's not as if peopl
capital games taxes, dividend taxes, estate taxes will all go up. everyone will see a 2% cut in your paycheck, since the payroll tax cut will expire. for every american that's about a $940 decrease in your annual takehome pay. we're talking about the child tax credit, the marital it penalty fixes, and on january 2, the stock market as you talked about, reopens, and the federal government reopens which means the sequestration kicks in. $110 billion in spending cuts a year for the next 10 years....
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but perhaps, democrats think if they can add an extension of the estate tax cut or put tax extenders in there they can lure some republicans. but that is part of the negotiation that's going to go on behind the scenes between democrats and one by one republican after republican. what do you need in order to come to the table. >> the senate democrats saying they think it's best to wait until the very last minute. why is that? >> this is going to make voters and viewers so happy i'm sure. the reason is because they know the reality. and they have seen it time and time again, congress acts when they are up against a deadline and not before. we are close to it. but it won't be until they are facing the cliff and teetering off the edge that the republicans will say fine, uncle, i'll go for this even though i don't think it's the right thing. but i've got to tell you, randi, still for the most part, democrat and. >> rob: sources do think that the most likely scenario is going off the cliff, and the reason is because, again, this is not going to make voters or viewers happy, is because poli
but perhaps, democrats think if they can add an extension of the estate tax cut or put tax extenders in there they can lure some republicans. but that is part of the negotiation that's going to go on behind the scenes between democrats and one by one republican after republican. what do you need in order to come to the table. >> the senate democrats saying they think it's best to wait until the very last minute. why is that? >> this is going to make voters and viewers so happy i'm...
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all the bush tax cuts expire, the payroll tax cuts expire. doctors participating in medicare, see their reimbursements cut by more than 25%. good luck getting a doctor then. more than a trillion dollars in spending cuts are triggered. the economy probably falls back into recession, and merry christmas and happy new year from washington to you, the american people. this basket of problems is what washington calls the fiscal cliff. you've been hearing for months now about the cliff crisis. you've heard a lot about whether or not it will matter, you've heard about the offers and the counteroffers president obama and house speaker john boehner put on the table. if you live in the game area, you're going to be reading about the cliff whether you like it or not. we at starbucks have an opportunity and i believe a responsibility to use our company's scale for good, by sending a respectful and optimistic message to our officials to come together and reach important ground. this week, through december 28th, partners at our washington, d.c., area store
all the bush tax cuts expire, the payroll tax cuts expire. doctors participating in medicare, see their reimbursements cut by more than 25%. good luck getting a doctor then. more than a trillion dollars in spending cuts are triggered. the economy probably falls back into recession, and merry christmas and happy new year from washington to you, the american people. this basket of problems is what washington calls the fiscal cliff. you've been hearing for months now about the cliff crisis. you've...
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democrats will say they need that much in taxes, too. and because they've already raised rates, they got those middle class tax cuts extended, and the rich ones expired, they'll be open to do hitting through tax reform, which will be easier for republicans to swallow. let's say they do get the one to one match. that will be an $800 billion tax increase for a $1.4 trillion revenue increase in total. so democrats could easily end up when all of this is said and done with more revenue than president obama was asking for a week ago. and it will happen if it happens, because over and over and over and over again, john boehner and the house republicans could not take yes for an answer. they had to say no to this president. so they kept delaying until they were weaker. they pushed negotiations from 2011 where they were very strong, until 2012, right after the president had won re-election, and now they're pushing to to 13, after the fiscal cliff hits and they get blamed. it is an odd way to negotiate. to get one republican view on what will com
democrats will say they need that much in taxes, too. and because they've already raised rates, they got those middle class tax cuts extended, and the rich ones expired, they'll be open to do hitting through tax reform, which will be easier for republicans to swallow. let's say they do get the one to one match. that will be an $800 billion tax increase for a $1.4 trillion revenue increase in total. so democrats could easily end up when all of this is said and done with more revenue than...
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in which case middle class taxes will not go up. if that doesn't happen, then democrats in the senate will put a bill on the floor of the senate, and republicans will have to decide if they are going to block it, which will mean that middle class taxes do go up. i don't think they would want to do that politically, but they may end up doing it. and if all else fails, if republicans do, in fact, decide to block it so that taxes on middle class families do go up on january 1st, then we'll come back with a new congress on january 4th, and the first bill that will be introduced on the floor will be to cut taxes on middle class families. and, you know, i don't think the average person is going to say, gosh, you know r, that's a real partisan agenda on the part of either the president or democrats in congress. i think people will say that makes sense because that's what the economy needs right now. so one way or another we'll get through this. do i wish that things were more orderly in washington and rational and people listened to the be
in which case middle class taxes will not go up. if that doesn't happen, then democrats in the senate will put a bill on the floor of the senate, and republicans will have to decide if they are going to block it, which will mean that middle class taxes do go up. i don't think they would want to do that politically, but they may end up doing it. and if all else fails, if republicans do, in fact, decide to block it so that taxes on middle class families do go up on january 1st, then we'll come...
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the tax policy center. the annual income from somebody in the $50,000 to $75,000, about a $2,400 increase. jumping ahead to $100,000 to $200,000, the average tax increase, $6,600. tacking at that great divide of the wealthy, over $250,000, at least a $11,000 tax hike. over $1 million, more than $254,000. >> hampton, looking at that number, that's for those americans working right now. there are still struggling americans, millions looking for work and what's the fiscal cliff mean for them? >> reporter: okay. we have unemployment at 7.7% last month and mainly went down because people gave up looking for work and jdropped out of th job market and out of work six months or longer. 4.8 million americans, they're the folks worried the most about unemployment benefits not extended after the first of the year. >> as we look at that number, that's staggering for so many. we have a "the washington post" poll that indicates 74% of americans support raising taxes on the top earners in this country. with that support t
the tax policy center. the annual income from somebody in the $50,000 to $75,000, about a $2,400 increase. jumping ahead to $100,000 to $200,000, the average tax increase, $6,600. tacking at that great divide of the wealthy, over $250,000, at least a $11,000 tax hike. over $1 million, more than $254,000. >> hampton, looking at that number, that's for those americans working right now. there are still struggling americans, millions looking for work and what's the fiscal cliff mean for...
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but perhaps democrats think if they add an extension of the estate tax cut or other tax extenders in there they can lure some republicans. but that is part of the negotiation that will go on behind the scenes between democrats and maybe one by one republican after republican, what do you need in order to come to the table? >> senate democrats say the best chance of passing the bill is to wait until the last minute. why is that? >> this is going to make voters and viewers so happy i'm sure. the reason is they know the reality and the reality is -- and we have seen it time and time again. congress acts when they are up against a deadline and really not before. we're pretty close to the deadline but it won't be until they are literally facing the cliff, teetering off the edge of the cliff that many republicans will say uncle, i will go for this, even though i don't think it is the right thing. for the most part democratic and republican sources think the most likely scenario is going off the cliff. the reason is this is not going to make voters or viewers happy, because politically it i
but perhaps democrats think if they add an extension of the estate tax cut or other tax extenders in there they can lure some republicans. but that is part of the negotiation that will go on behind the scenes between democrats and maybe one by one republican after republican, what do you need in order to come to the table? >> senate democrats say the best chance of passing the bill is to wait until the last minute. why is that? >> this is going to make voters and viewers so happy...
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our state's pay high taxes. when were there when katrina victims, that's beside the point of red or blue states. you do what you have to do. that's what needs to be done right now. not only is the budget critical right now, sandy's critical and a lot of other thing that is need to be done there. amt. >> all right. >> look at the folks -- >> congressman. >> don't have a payroll. >> congressman, i have to cut you off. >> okay. >> but thank you so much. >> thank you, craig. >> keep us posted on the progress if there is any. >>> we have developing news now from the senate. just moments ago, vice president joe biden swore in hawaii's lieutenant governor brian schatz as the state's new u.s. snr. >> do you swear to support and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies foreign and domestic, that you will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that you take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion and that you will well and faithfully discharge the duties of
our state's pay high taxes. when were there when katrina victims, that's beside the point of red or blue states. you do what you have to do. that's what needs to be done right now. not only is the budget critical right now, sandy's critical and a lot of other thing that is need to be done there. amt. >> all right. >> look at the folks -- >> congressman. >> don't have a payroll. >> congressman, i have to cut you off. >> okay. >> but thank you so much....
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take the tax issue -- give the president his tax hike on the rich now. fight him on everything else when taxes aren't part of the conversation. fight him on everything else in six weeks when the debt ceiling is hit or eight weeks, 12 weeks, whenever that fight happens, and do that. i do think that mcconnell -- that's where he wants to be. can he get there in the next 24 hours? that's what we don't know. >> tom brokaw? >> well, it seems to me that the middle class is going to have a date for the prom. everybody is talking about protecting the middle class here. so i think this deal will probably get done around the middle class tax cut. it's at what level. $400,000 or $250,000 or some other number. which is going to be critically important. a lot of people don't realize in a large urban and suburban areas of america, $250,000 doesn't make you rich. have you two kids in college at $60,000. if you're a boomer, you may have a dependent parent of some kind. spending another $20,000 or $25,000 on that. you have to have a definition of what is the middle class.
take the tax issue -- give the president his tax hike on the rich now. fight him on everything else when taxes aren't part of the conversation. fight him on everything else in six weeks when the debt ceiling is hit or eight weeks, 12 weeks, whenever that fight happens, and do that. i do think that mcconnell -- that's where he wants to be. can he get there in the next 24 hours? that's what we don't know. >> tom brokaw? >> well, it seems to me that the middle class is going to have a...
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to pay more taxes. i don't think they're eager to pay more taxes for one important reason, they just don't think the money is going to get used well. people just do not trust washington to spend their money effectively and i think if they had greater trust in washington, there would not be so much resistance to this, so the irony of this, don, is that this spectacle that we're seeing right now in washington is contributing to the problem and people see this, they're even more reluctant to pay taxes or to put up with the tax hike. so it is almost like it is a self-perpetuating problem. >> rick newman, thank you, sir. >> sure thing, don. >>> in other news, he's remembered as a liberator, not a conqueror. tributes pouring in for general norman schwarzkopf. he died yesterday in tampa, florida. he became a household name in the '90s when he led coalition forces in first gulf war. he once told larry king he hated war. president obama called schwarzkopf's death the loss of an american original. norman schwarzk
to pay more taxes. i don't think they're eager to pay more taxes for one important reason, they just don't think the money is going to get used well. people just do not trust washington to spend their money effectively and i think if they had greater trust in washington, there would not be so much resistance to this, so the irony of this, don, is that this spectacle that we're seeing right now in washington is contributing to the problem and people see this, they're even more reluctant to pay...
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what would the level be for taxes for revenue. in how much would be raised in revenue and what would it mean in new spending cuts? >> the spending cuts would be a trillion $450 billion. $2.6 trillion. couple that with the $1.1 trillion already done and you are at $3.7 trillion. and look, is it perfect? no. is it everything we he hoped for? >> no. does it match what bowles simpson did? no. on an even comparison bowles simpson would be $5.3 trillion. >> chris: let me ask you one last quick question. are you saying that you don't like the president's plan? >> look, it may come to that but i would hope that we would have one last attempt here to do what everyone knows needs to be done. which is a larger plan that really does stablize the debt and get us moving in the right direction and does it in it a way that is cognizant that we have an economy that is recovering, that still is weak and we don't slam it. we don't slam on the brakes here in a way that puts us back into recession, that increases jobless rate to 9.1%. >> chris: let me
what would the level be for taxes for revenue. in how much would be raised in revenue and what would it mean in new spending cuts? >> the spending cuts would be a trillion $450 billion. $2.6 trillion. couple that with the $1.1 trillion already done and you are at $3.7 trillion. and look, is it perfect? no. is it everything we he hoped for? >> no. does it match what bowles simpson did? no. on an even comparison bowles simpson would be $5.3 trillion. >> chris: let me ask you one...
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and the estate tax. and what's essentially happening here and a door open here, democrats leave the door open and expect mcconnell to make a counter offer, whatever the case may be, democrats run the place saying to mitch mcconnell, hey, if we jump off of this bridge, cliff, as it were, we're going to hold hands with you and not only bring along some republicans jumping off this cliff here but you have to make sure that john boehner comes along, too, and put something on the floor that's not going to get the majority of the majority republicans in the house of represent evs. that is the predicate, that is the condition in the senate. no one believes that john boehner will take that leap holding the hands of harry reid or mitch mcconnell, for that matter. the preponderance of opinion, the overwhelming belief and suspicion, however you want to phrase it, here in the capitol and downtown on k street is going over the cliff. only question now is how many days to extend past january 1st before they come back
and the estate tax. and what's essentially happening here and a door open here, democrats leave the door open and expect mcconnell to make a counter offer, whatever the case may be, democrats run the place saying to mitch mcconnell, hey, if we jump off of this bridge, cliff, as it were, we're going to hold hands with you and not only bring along some republicans jumping off this cliff here but you have to make sure that john boehner comes along, too, and put something on the floor that's not...
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going to revert back to the 2000 tax schedule you so the top tax rate will bounce up to 39.6%. then you look at the dividend tax rate. right now, it's at 15% it can jump as high as 43%. capital gains taxes from 15% up to 20%. so, you could see that the implications, the negative implications just to wall street but also to those individuals that you are living on a fixed income. so this impacts all americans, not just the wealthy americans. this goes top and bottom to everybody involved. >> and what about the payroll tax holiday? if that expires what does that mean for our paychecks come january? >> well, the very first paycheck, cnn viewers want to know this, the very first paycheck they will receive in 2013 will be reduced by 2%. now that may seem like a nominal figure right at the start, but as long as you continue this throughout deep into 2013, you're looking at real numbers here. i mean, somebody that is making $50,000, like steven said, they are looking at anywhere between 2 and $3,000 extra in extra tax. so that payroll tax holiday is critical and these the immediate im
going to revert back to the 2000 tax schedule you so the top tax rate will bounce up to 39.6%. then you look at the dividend tax rate. right now, it's at 15% it can jump as high as 43%. capital gains taxes from 15% up to 20%. so, you could see that the implications, the negative implications just to wall street but also to those individuals that you are living on a fixed income. so this impacts all americans, not just the wealthy americans. this goes top and bottom to everybody involved....
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amt, the alternative minimum tax. a fix so that won't hit 20 million more americans. >> that is exactly right. >> chris: let me focus on the tax rates. that has been the biggest issue in the whole debate. the president wants to extend the tax rates on families making less than $250,000 a year. senator graham is that acceptable or does the threshold for when you start to make the bush tax rates go away does it have to be higher? some people said $400,000 and $500,000. how confident are you that the house which refused to set the mark at a million dollars will pass any tax rate increase? >> if democrats will vote for the deal in the house if they are allowed to vote for whatever the senate passes there will be enough republicans but boehner needs a majority of the republican party. in 2010 we extended all of the tax cuts because the economy was weak. we are not going to extend all of the tax cuts but the economy is weaker. i don't understand the economics but i do understand the politics. the president won. the presiden
amt, the alternative minimum tax. a fix so that won't hit 20 million more americans. >> that is exactly right. >> chris: let me focus on the tax rates. that has been the biggest issue in the whole debate. the president wants to extend the tax rates on families making less than $250,000 a year. senator graham is that acceptable or does the threshold for when you start to make the bush tax rates go away does it have to be higher? some people said $400,000 and $500,000. how confident...
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republicans can do tax reform more straight forwardly and the president can do his own version of tax policy and spending policy but that would have to be done quickly. >> peter, you write that you want the discussion, the deal to be tax hikes and entitlement reform. do you want it to be more comprehensive than that or are those the two key elements? >> at this point, those are the two key elements. one is necessary for resolving the fiscal cliff. the other is necessary for getting a significant debt limit increase. we need to do both. i agree, we'll have a deal by mid to late january by the latest. the risk in all of that is, it's going to be kind of a half-hearted deal. there's an opportunity here to do a much bigger, much more ambitious deal and that is what i think we should be seeking. >> that deal would be tax reform plus entitlement reform or how important do you think this whole idea of comprehensive tax reform is? >> i think comprehensive tax reform is desirable and easier to say and hard to do. in the meanwhile, useful from my perspective to lock in some additional revenue t
republicans can do tax reform more straight forwardly and the president can do his own version of tax policy and spending policy but that would have to be done quickly. >> peter, you write that you want the discussion, the deal to be tax hikes and entitlement reform. do you want it to be more comprehensive than that or are those the two key elements? >> at this point, those are the two key elements. one is necessary for resolving the fiscal cliff. the other is necessary for getting...
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then however it becomes no longer extending the bush tax cuts, but the obama tax cuts. president obama is associated with cutting taxes. there is political liability for them as well. the reality is they have to get off of this no tax increase nonsense. i read in the "new york times" the other day, no republican member of congress voted for it since 1990. do you believe that? we had two or three wars since that time? a tragedy at 9/11 and we had hurricane sandy. we had hurricane katrina and despite all of these, they are unwilling to raise them to support and fund our government. what does it say about the dysfunctionality? >> we will have to leave it there. happy holidays to you. joining me now on the phone, congressman gregory meeks. congressman, i just saw you downstairs in the lobby about two or three hours ago and you were waiting on a phone call to determine when you might have to go back to d.c. to hammer out fiscal cliff matters. have you gotten the call yet? >> we are still waiting. >> no word as to when you guys are going back? no sense of urgency? >> i think
then however it becomes no longer extending the bush tax cuts, but the obama tax cuts. president obama is associated with cutting taxes. there is political liability for them as well. the reality is they have to get off of this no tax increase nonsense. i read in the "new york times" the other day, no republican member of congress voted for it since 1990. do you believe that? we had two or three wars since that time? a tragedy at 9/11 and we had hurricane sandy. we had hurricane...
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the headline, you know, item is tax estimates. tax revenues and where tax rates will increase. what's the threshold. democrats have been saying that they would like tax increases to affect households that make $250,000 and more. they would also insist on extending unemployment benefits. they would like to see -- the president would like a delay in those automatic spending cuts, those massive spending cuts that congress set into motion that should hit beginning in the new year. and then also an increase in the estate tax, which is also planned to hit in the new year. republicans would like, in order to be able to vote for some sort of deal, to limit that threshold and where -- a limit the threshold where the tax increase hits so maybe instead of $250,000 maybe $400,000, a way to avoid that estate tax increase, they would like no delay in those spending cuts, so that they will start to hit in the new year. and they would like democrats to agree to pay for the unemployment benefits. now we don't know if -- which of these items would be in the deal they're working out today, except
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, not a rise in taxes? >> chuck schumer brought up a good point. a key moment of these entire negotiations came on wednesday night when president obama calls mitch mcconnell, bring the republican leader in the process. what happens now is very important. as sam said, they'll be negotiating today and over the weekend in the senate. and if this $250,000 comes to the floor, if a few republicans attach themselves to what reid and obama agree to, then that means when it pose gophers to the house it has a much better chance of attracting republican support. if mitch mcconnell aligns republicans and tells everyone to oppose it in the senate republican conference, the chances of it succeeding in the house are pretty low. >> sam, is this the end of the road for grover norquist and his pledge? >> it's odd because grover was the one sort of outside government institution on the conservative side who agreed with speaker boehner's plan "b" which would have allowed taxes to go up above $1 million in income. all the other
, not a rise in taxes? >> chuck schumer brought up a good point. a key moment of these entire negotiations came on wednesday night when president obama calls mitch mcconnell, bring the republican leader in the process. what happens now is very important. as sam said, they'll be negotiating today and over the weekend in the senate. and if this $250,000 comes to the floor, if a few republicans attach themselves to what reid and obama agree to, then that means when it pose gophers to the...
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that will have spending cuts and taxes in it. it seems to me that that's a recipe for republicans to end up getting a lot more in taxes than they would have got in all with an up-front deal. are your colleagues worried about that at all, or are you? >> first of all, you're enlightening me on something i'm not aware of. that was not the conversation i had with my colleagues across the aisle and that wasn't the conversation i had with the minority leader. so you have information that i don't have. look, you can't solve the problem with taxes. you have to do both. this country is in trouble, fiscally and financially as well as ratings. and if we don't do something significant, we'll see another rating cut. and there'll come a time when the interest costs, we cannot afford. so the question comes is, what is the best thing we can do now, given the political dynamics that are in washington that actually make some difference in the future, and when i say future, i'm talking about our kids and grandkids. what can we do that will actually
that will have spending cuts and taxes in it. it seems to me that that's a recipe for republicans to end up getting a lot more in taxes than they would have got in all with an up-front deal. are your colleagues worried about that at all, or are you? >> first of all, you're enlightening me on something i'm not aware of. that was not the conversation i had with my colleagues across the aisle and that wasn't the conversation i had with the minority leader. so you have information that i...